Krisenherd Ukraine (Dez. 2013 - Mai 2023)

[umananda]

und das vom ersten tag der krise an! konnte man am anfang noch zweifel haben, wer auf dem maidan geschossen hat, so ist jetzt der aggressor und auftraggeber zweifelsfrei identifiziert!

Auf dem Maidan haben die gleichen Aggressoren geschossen, die sich jetzt als russische Separatisten immer offensichtlicher als Putins Söldner entpuppen.

Servus umananda

[navy]

Die Einkesselung der CIA-Todesschwadrone ( Academi / Greystone ), die massgeblich an den ethnischen Saeuberungen in der Ostukraine beteiligt sein sollen, ist natuerlich ein herber Schlag fuer die USA sowie UK.

Wahrscheinlich deshalb jetzt dieser Racheakt mit dem SWIFT-Zahlungsverkehr ?

Das waere eine weitere erhebliche und schmerzvolle Eskalationsstufe gegen Russland. Allerdings muss dann mit einer sehr harten Reaktion Russlands gerechnet werden.

Russland versucht jetzt schon, von diesem SWIFT-System wegzukommen, zumal der NSA das total ueberwachen soll:

rl]

Noch schlimmer ist, das die NATO Flieger, sich als elektronischer Müll heraus stellte, inklusive der Papier Tiger Flotte und dem sonstigen Militär Müll was in den NATO Staaten, vor allem in Deutschland und den USA produziert wird. Seitdem drehen die Kriegs Organisatoren vollkommen durch.

[konfutse]

Überwachung des NATO.Luftraumes ist zulässig und bei einem aggressiven Russland auch erforderlich.

Dieses 'Staybehind-Engagement', wo ist das?

Welche Hirnverbrannten kommen eigentlich auf den Gedanken, dass Russland ein NATO-Land überfallen könnte? NATO-Einheizer!

[konfutse]

Die USA haben in Afghanistan den Widerstand gegen russische Truppen unterstützt. ISIS haben sie weder aufgebaut noch unterstützt.

Wer hat denn die syrische Opposition mit Waffen beliefert? Russland wars nicht. Und wo sind diese Waffen jetzt?

[brain freeze]

und das vom ersten tag der krise an! konnte man am anfang noch zweifel haben, wer auf dem maidan geschossen hat, so ist jetzt der aggressor und auftraggeber zweifelsfrei identifiziert!

Ach ja? Sind die Ermittlungen abgeschlossen? Gibt es eine Anklage? Gibt es ein Urteil?

Für den gesunden Menschenverstand hier eine starke Analyse einer ZDF-spezial-Sendung:

"ZDF-spezial: Kampf um die Ostukraine – Russlands verdeckte Invasion"

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[Jodlerkönig]

Auf dem Maidan haben die gleichen Aggressoren geschossen, die sich jetzt als russische Separatisten immer offensichtlicher als Putins Söldner entpuppen.

Servus umananda

da fällt mir die geschichte vom sender "gleiwitz" ein .....

[Neugier72]

Auf dem Maidan haben die gleichen Aggressoren geschossen, die sich jetzt als russische Separatisten immer offensichtlicher als Putins Söldner entpuppen.

Servus umananda

Jetzt drehst du vollkommen durch, oder?
Vorhin war es noch die Invasion russischer Streitkräfte die du als Fakt hinstellst und jetzt dieser Rotz.
Erzähl doch mal woher du dein ach so faktenreiches Wissen beziehst.

Einfach mal nachdenken, wenn Russland da wirklich seit vorgestern eine Invasion fahren würde, wäre die Sache längst gegessen.

Ach ja du weise Frau, wer schoß gleich noch die Maschine MH17 ab?

Weißte, bleib in deinem Österreich und sonder weiter deinem nichtdeutschen Mist dort ab und gut.

[Rikimer]

der mediale Defekt bei einem Großteil der Masse tritt, bei deinem Propaganda-Geschwurbel, sehr augenscheinlich zum Vorschein! Den Konflikt in der Ukraine hat der Westen zu verantworten! Das sagen jetzt sogar deine Glaubensbrüder in den US Traum und Denkfabriken!

Zur Erinnerung:

Council on Foreign Relations sieht Hauptschuld an Ukraine-Krise beim Westen

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Im Original:

Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault
The Liberal Delusions That Provoked Putin

ccording to the prevailing wisdom in the West, the Ukraine crisis can be blamed almost entirely on Russian aggression. Russian President Vladimir Putin, the argument goes, annexed Crimea out of a long-standing desire to resuscitate the Soviet empire, and he may eventually go after the rest of Ukraine, as well as other countries in eastern Europe. In this view, the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014 merely provided a pretext for Putin’s decision to order Russian forces to seize part of Ukraine.

But this account is wrong: the United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West. At the same time, the EU’s expansion eastward and the West’s backing of the pro-democracy movement in Ukraine -- beginning with the Orange Revolution in 2004 -- were critical elements, too. Since the mid-1990s, Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement, and in recent years, they have made it clear that they would not stand by while their strategically important neighbor turned into a Western bastion. For Putin, the illegal overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected and pro-Russian president -- which he rightly labeled a “coup” -- was the final straw. He responded by taking Crimea, a peninsula he feared would host a NATO naval base, and working to destabilize Ukraine until it abandoned its efforts to join the West.

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CREATING A CRISIS

Imagine the American outrage if China built an impressive military alliance and tried to include Canada and Mexico.

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The West’s triple package of policies -- NATO enlargement, EU expansion, and democracy promotion -- added fuel to a fire waiting to ignite. The spark came in November 2013, when Yanukovych rejected a major economic deal he had been negotiating with the EU and decided to accept a $15 billion Russian counteroffer instead. That decision gave rise to antigovernment demonstrations that escalated over the following three months and that by mid-February had led to the deaths of some one hundred protesters. Western emissaries hurriedly flew to Kiev to resolve the crisis. On February 21, the government and the opposition struck a deal that allowed Yanukovych to stay in power until new elections were held. But it immediately fell apart, and Yanukovych fled to Russia the next day. The new government in Kiev was pro-Western and anti-Russian to the core, and it contained four high-ranking members who could legitimately be labeled neofascists.

Although the full extent of U.S. involvement has not yet come to light, it is clear that Washington backed the coup. Nuland and Republican Senator John McCain participated in antigovernment demonstrations, and Geoffrey Pyatt, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, proclaimed after Yanukovych’s toppling that it was “a day for the history books.” As a leaked telephone recording revealed, Nuland had advocated regime change and wanted the Ukrainian politician Arseniy Yatsenyuk to become prime minister in the new government, which he did. No wonder Russians of all persuasions think the West played a role in Yanukovych’s ouster.

For Putin, the time to act against Ukraine and the West had arrived. Shortly after February 22, he ordered Russian forces to take Crimea from Ukraine, and soon after that, he incorporated it into Russia. The task proved relatively easy, thanks to the thousands of Russian troops already stationed at a naval base in the Crimean port of Sevastopol. Crimea also made for an easy target since ethnic Russians compose roughly 60 percent of its population. Most of them wanted out of Ukraine.

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THE DIAGNOSIS

Putin’s actions should be easy to comprehend. A huge expanse of flat land that Napoleonic France, imperial Germany, and Nazi Germany all crossed to strike at Russia itself, Ukraine serves as a buffer state of enormous strategic importance to Russia. No Russian leader would tolerate a military alliance that was Moscow’s mortal enemy until recently moving into Ukraine. Nor would any Russian leader stand idly by while the West helped install a government there that was determined to integrate Ukraine into the West.

Washington may not like Moscow’s position, but it should understand the logic behind it. This is Geopolitics 101: great powers are always sensitive to potential threats near their home territory. After all, the United States does not tolerate distant great powers deploying military forces anywhere in the Western Hemisphere, much less on its borders. Imagine the outrage in Washington if China built an impressive military alliance and tried to include Canada and Mexico in it. Logic aside, Russian leaders have told their Western counterparts on many occasions that they consider NATO expansion into Georgia and Ukraine unacceptable, along with any effort to turn those countries against Russia -- a message that the 2008 Russian-Georgian war also made crystal clear.

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The United States and its allies should abandon their plan to westernize Ukraine and instead aim to make it a neutral buffer.

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BLAME GAME

In that same 1998 interview, Kennan predicted that NATO expansion would provoke a crisis, after which the proponents of expansion would “say that we always told you that is how the Russians are.” As if on cue, most Western officials have portrayed Putin as the real culprit in the Ukraine predicament. In March, according to The New York Times, German Chancellor Angela Merkel implied that Putin was irrational, telling Obama that he was “in another world.” Although Putin no doubt has autocratic tendencies, no evidence supports the charge that he is mentally unbalanced. On the contrary: he is a first-class strategist who should be feared and respected by anyone challenging him on foreign policy.

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A WAY OUT

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There is a solution to the crisis in Ukraine, however -- although it would require the West to think about the country in a fundamentally new way. The United States and its allies should abandon their plan to westernize Ukraine and instead aim to make it a neutral buffer between NATO and Russia, akin to Austria’s position during the Cold War. Western leaders should acknowledge that Ukraine matters so much to Putin that they cannot support an anti-Russian regime there. This would not mean that a future Ukrainian government would have to be pro-Russian or anti-NATO. On the contrary, the goal should be a sovereign Ukraine that falls in neither the Russian nor the Western camp.

To achieve this end, the United States and its allies should publicly rule out NATO’s expansion into both Georgia and Ukraine. The West should also help fashion an economic rescue plan for Ukraine funded jointly by the EU, the International Monetary Fund, Russia, and the United States -- a proposal that Moscow should welcome, given its interest in having a prosperous and stable Ukraine on its western flank. And the West should considerably limit its social-engineering efforts inside Ukraine. It is time to put an end to Western support for another Orange Revolution. Nevertheless, U.S. and European leaders should encourage Ukraine to respect minority rights, especially the language rights of its Russian speakers.

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The United States and its European allies now face a choice on Ukraine. They can continue their current policy, which will exacerbate hostilities with Russia and devastate Ukraine in the process -- a scenario in which everyone would come out a loser. Or they can switch gears and work to create a prosperous but neutral Ukraine, one that does not threaten Russia and allows the West to repair its relations with Moscow. With that approach, all sides would win

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Ich weiss das nicht alles vom Artikel zu sehen ist, aber ich habe ein Account bei diesem Magazin und kann alles noetige zitieren.

Wenn diese Forentrolle und Deppen hier nur mehr lesen uns sich bilden wuerden...

[Buella]

Oh Madame, schon aufgefallen, daß das heutige Rußland nichts mit der bolschewistischen SU gemein hat? Oder hat Putin ebenso wie Stalin einen jüdischen Chefschlächter(Kaganowitsch), der 9Mio. Ukrainer elendig verrecken ließ (Holodomor)?

kd

Du sprichst die Hauptprobleme der geistig Unterbelichteten an:

1. Zwanghafte Unkenntnis, bzw. Blödheit und
2. Sollte die unter 1. genannte Zwanghaftigkeit nicht zutreffen, militant einsetzendes historisches Morbus Pick!

[Jodlerkönig]

Ach ja? Sind die Ermittlungen abgeschlossen? Gibt es eine Anklage? Gibt es ein Urteil?

Für den gesunden Menschenverstand hier eine starke Analyse einer ZDF-spezial-Sendung:

"ZDF-spezial: Kampf um die Ostukraine – Russlands verdeckte Invasion"

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lass es einfach. die aktuellen entwicklungen und das verhalten russlands lassen keinen anderen schluss zu! es tut mir natürlich leid für dich und deine mitstreiter, das euch euer guru putin angeschissen hat.