Was ist los in Libyen? Ursachen, Wirkung und Entwicklung / Sammelstrang

[EinMensch]

hab ein video gefunden..

die ghaddafi-soldaten fordern einen verwundeten mann auf zu schwören er ghadafi s soldat zu werden oder er wrüde sterben

doch stattdessen sagt er ein gebet auf und wird abgeknallt..

bitte nur über 18jährige anschauen..

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[Felixhenn]

Wir haben selbst genug Mörder, Erpresser und Terroristen in unseren eigenen Reihen- und nu ?



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Mehr fällt Dir dazu nicht ein?

[Widder58]

hab ein video gefunden..

die ghaddafi-soldaten fordern einen verwundeten mann auf zu schwören er ghadafi s soldat zu werden oder er wrüde sterben

doch stattdessen sagt er ein gebet auf und wird abgeknallt..

bitte nur über 18jährige anschauen..

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Wieder eins der berühmten nichtssagenden Wackelvideos ohne jede Beweiskraft. Sowas und "nach Aussagen der Opposition" oder "nach Angaben von Rebellen" setzt man dem einfachen Beobachter nun seit einigen Wochen vor.
Tatsache hingegen ist, dass die Angriffe der "Allianz" bald mehr Opfer unter den Zivilisten fordert als die der libyischen Armee.
Das nennt man Zivilisenschutz.
Nachhaltig trägt man zur Schädigung noch durch flächendeckenden Einsatz von Uranmunition bei.
Auf Seiten der Rebellen wird man sicherlich völlig demokratisch, humanitär und menschlich mit Gefangenen umgehen.

[Widder58]

Mehr fällt Dir dazu nicht ein?

Nein, Typen wie Du sollten erstmal vor der eigenen Tür kehren. Allerdings setzt das einen Denkprozess voraus um dahinter zu kommen, wie das wohl gemeint sein kann.

[Steiner]

Einige Hintergrundinformationen darüber, warum es zum Aufstand im Osten des Landes kam.

Our Principles? The Libyan Insurrection and the Mohammed Cartoons
A look back at the origins of the Libyan insurrection shows that a victory by the rebels could be a victory for Islamist-inspired blasphemy laws and a defeat for freedom of expression. (Also read: Endgame? Libyan Rebels Call for Ceasefire at the Tatler.)

“We must stand alongside those who believe in the same core principles,” President Obama said in his speech Monday night justifying American military intervention in Libya. But there is reason to doubt that the eastern Libyan forces opposed to the rule of Moammar al-Gaddafi do share our core principles — at any rate, if by “our” principles the president means American ones.

This is not only because, as reported on PJM, the rebel forces contain al-Qaeda linked elements that have fought against America in both Afghanistan and Iraq. A look back at the origins of the eastern Libyan rebellion suggests that it has been an essentially Islamist rebellion from the start. Indeed, little known to most Americans, one of the principal sources of inspiration for the rebellion is to be found in that most Islamist of all sources of outrage: the famous “Mohammed cartoons” published by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in 2005.

The eastern Libyan rebellion began with a “Day of Rage” on February 17. The “Day of Rage” was called by an organization named the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition (NCLO). The choice of the date was not arbitrary. According to the English edition of the pan-Arab newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat, the date was chosen to commemorate “the 17 February 2006 uprisings in the city of Benghazi where protests against the Danish cartoons of the prophet Muhammad were transformed into mass demonstrations against Gaddafi and his regime, resulting in the death of dozens of protestors and the injury of many more.”

Reports at the time, citing official Libyan sources, spoke of eleven confirmed dead. The deaths occurred when rioters attempted to storm the Italian consulate in Benghazi. The building was set on fire and consulate personnel had to be evacuated. “We feared for our lives,” the wife of the consul general was quoted as saying in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera. A consulate employee spoke of “thousands” of young men that descended upon the consulate, coming from the local mosques. February 17, 2006, was a Friday, so the rioters were presumably coming from Friday prayers. After initially attempting to disperse the crowd with tear gas, Libyan police opened fire.

The 2006 attack on the Italian consulate helps to explain the reluctance of Italian authorities to support the eastern Libyan rebels and their ambivalence about the Western-led military intervention.

The rage of the Benghazi rioters appears to have been specifically directed at the Italian consulate as a consequence of a television appearance two days earlier by Italian “Reforms Minister” Roberto Calderoli. In reaction to the protests against the Mohammed cartoons in Muslim countries, Calderoli had previously announced that he intended to print up t-shirts with a cartoon of Mohammed on them and to wear one himself. During an interview on the Italian public television Rai Uno on February 15, Calderoli did not merely defend the idea; he proceeded to unbutton his shirt and show that he was in fact wearing such a t-shirt.

Calderoli explained that the gesture was a matter of a “battle for freedom.” Alluding to the cartoon protestors, he added defiantly, “When they recognize our rights, I’ll take off the shirt.” According to the Corriere della Sera, Calderoli’s counter-protest was widely reported in Arab media.

The day after the Benghazi riots, Calderoli resigned from his post in the Italian government. In a statement, he said that “it has never been my intention to offend the Muslim religion nor to be a pretext for yesterday’s violence.” But he also described the violence sparked by the cartoons in Muslim countries more generally as “a veritable attack on the West, which worries me and should worry everyone whose responsibility it is to see to it that diverse cultures live together peacefully.”

The role played by the Mohammed cartoons in the history of the Libyan rebellion is by no means the only indication of the latter’s Islamist inspiration. The president of the United States and other Western leaders and opinion-makers have lately been busy parsing the statements of the so-called Transitional National Council, which has served as the political face of the rebellion vis-à-vis the international community. Someone going by the name of Andy Stone, on the other hand, had the idea of examining the Arabic contents found on the website of the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition.

Stone, who published his findings online here, discovered an NCLO document titled “Gaddafi: Islam’s no. 1 Enemy.” The document was published on February 15 of this year, just two days before the NCLO-sponsored “Day of Rage” protests in Benghazi.

The document amounts to an indictment of Muammar al-Gaddafi on account of a long list of alleged crimes against Islamic orthodoxy. These include, for instance, Gaddafi’s insistence that Christians and Jews should be allowed to visit Mecca.

For the charges leveled against Muammar al-Gaddafi in the NCLO’s “Gaddafi: Islam’s Enemy no. 1,” see Tony Badran’s English translation on the Tatler.

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[GnomInc]

hab ein video gefunden..

die ghaddafi-soldaten fordern einen verwundeten mann auf zu schwören er ghadafi s soldat zu werden oder er wrüde sterben

doch stattdessen sagt er ein gebet auf und wird abgeknallt..
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Gratulation!

Endlich ein Kenner des speziellen lybischen Idioms der arabischen Sprache
an Bord -einer , der jede Nuance präzise übersetzt !

Mich wundert , dass die Auswerter des BND dich noch nicht engagiert haben -
oder auch CIA,MI6 . Mossad etc.
So ein Potential lässt man doch nicht brachliegen...............?(?(

[Steiner]

Jetzt ist wohl auch noch ein kanadischer "Intelligence-Report" aufgetaucht, der die bisherigen Vermutungen und die Aussagen des US-Counterrorismreports bestätigt. Jetzt gibt es also schon zwei Quellen, die den Osten des Landes als Hochburg der radikalen Islamisten einschätzen.

Washington, D.C. 02 April (Asiantribune.com):

A Canadian intelligence report written in late 2009 called the anti-Gaddafi stronghold of eastern Libya an “epicenter of Islamist extremism” and said “extremist cells” operated in the region, now being defended by a Canadian-led NATO coalition.

The report by the government’s Integrated Threat Assessment Centre said “several Islamist insurgent groups” were based in eastern Libya and mosques in Benghazi were urging followers to fight in Iraq.

Canada’s widely read newspaper National Post that obtained this classified document says it noted “Within the region, the population holds more conservative views compared to the rest of Libya and Islamist activism is strongly concentrated.”

In recent days the profile of the Libyan rebels is fast unfolding about their connections to radical Islamic movements that fight the US-led coalition in Iraq and Afghanistan. The United States Congress has expressed skepticism about the U.S. involvement in a civil war led by elements that have a rapport to radical Islamism. The Obama administration, despite its partial ignorance about the composition of the Libyan rebels, is now soft peddling the issue of providing arms to the rebels.

The Asian Tribune earlier reported that U.S. Admiral James Stavridis, NATO Supreme Allied Commander, declaring that there were “flickers” of al-Qaeda in the Libyan opposition.

But just over a year ago, the Canadian government, in an intelligence assessment written at the request of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, raised concerns about Islamists in eastern Libya, the National Post reports.

“There are a number of small, independent extremist cells operating in the eastern regions of Libya that have no affiliation to other established terrorist groups,” said the report, Terrorist Threat to Canadian Interests in Libya.

It downplayed direct links to al-Qaeda but said the terror group was an influence. “Many Libyan extremists who have been detained claimed to be influenced by al-Qaeda, but do not appear to have direct links to al-Qaeda core in Pakistan.”

“We are examining very closely the content, composition, the personalities, who are the leaders of these opposition forces,” Adm. Stavridis testified at a Senate hearing. “We have seen flickers in the intelligence of potential al-Qaeda, Hezbollah.”

But the admiral added, “At this point I don’t have detail sufficient to say there is a significant al-Qaeda presence or any other terrorist presence.”

The Canadian intelligence report, dated Dec. 8, 2009, said in the early 1990s “several thousand” fighters began regrouping in Libya after returning from the Soviet war in Afghanistan. After attempts on his life in 1996 and 1998, Col. Gaddafi responded with a counter-insurgency campaign that “effectively suppressed the Islamist insurgency.”

The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, formed in 1991 to overthrow Col. Gaddafi and install shariah law, was crushed, its leaders imprisoned or exiled.

But during the Iraq war, imams at Benghazi’s mosques issued fatwas “instructing followers it was their duty to fight in Iraq. In geographical terms, therefore, the eastern regions represent the epicenter of Islamist extremism in Libya,” the report said.

It blamed unrest in the east partly on high unemployment and called Benghazi “underdeveloped relative to the rest of Libya.”

“The eastern region has traditionally been the site of previous rebellions against the Libyan regime and where several Islamist insurgent groups were based,” wrote ITAC, the Ottawa-based agency made up of representatives of CSIS, RCMP, Canadian Forces and other departments.

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[dorbei]

hab ein video gefunden..

die ghaddafi-soldaten fordern einen verwundeten mann auf zu schwören er ghadafi s soldat zu werden oder er wrüde sterben

doch stattdessen sagt er ein gebet auf und wird abgeknallt..

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Auf dem Video ist überhaupt nicht zu sehen, ob jemand erschossen wird.

[Quo vadis]

Auf dem Video ist überhaupt nicht zu sehen, ob jemand erschossen wird.

Blinde wie EinMensch sehen ja bekanntlich besonders deutlich.

[Soshana]

Die Bildung der neuen libyschen Regierung durch Sarkozy nimmt erste Formen an:

The last time a Libyan leader traveled to the U.S. and Europe to talk to his international counterparts, he wore desert robes, slept in a Bedouin tent, and vilified the West in incomprehensible diatribes. Now, the Libyan leader holed up in meetings with top diplomats in foreign capitals wears a suit and tie, speaks flawless English, and flaunts a Ph.D. from the University of Pittsburgh. In brief: Mahmoud Gebril is about as jolting a contrast from Muammar Gaddafi as one can imagine.
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Es wird interessant werden, wie Sarkozy die neue Regierung dann in Libyen durchzusetzen gedenkt. Gadhafi hat das Waffenstillstandsangebot der Rebellen abgelehnt:

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