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Volle Zustimmung !Zitat:
Zitat von Alion
All die Toten der 2.Intifada gehen am Ende auf Arafats Konto und sind ihm zuzurechnen !
Arafats Vernichtungsstrategie gegenueber Israel:
http://www.meforum.org/605/arafats-grand-strategy
Der Mann war nicht nur irre, sondern auch gemeingefaehrlich !
@Alion:Zitat:
Zitat von Alion
Das israelische Angebot in Camp David bzw. Taba war wirklich grosszuegig und allumfassend:
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Nonetheless, the three leaders met at the White House in December and a final settlement proposal was offered. The U.S. plan offered by Clinton and endorsed by Barak would have given the Palestinians 97 percent of the West Bank (either 96 percent of the West Bank and 1 percent from Israel proper or 94 percent from the West Bank and 3 percent from Israel proper), with no cantons, and full control of the Gaza Strip, with a land-link between the two; Israel would have withdrawn from 63 settlements as a result. In exchange for the three percent annexation of the West Bank, Israel would increase the size of the Gaza territory by roughly a third. Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem would become the capital of the new state, and refugees would have the right of return to the Palestinian state, and would receive reparations from a $30 billion international fund collected to compensate them. The Palestinians would maintain control over their holy places, and would be given desalinization plants to ensure them adequate water.
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...cd2000art.html
Israel war also schon damals im Jahre 2000 in den Camp David Verhandlungen bzw. in Taba durchaus zu einem umfassenden Frieden mit den Palaestinensern bereit.
Die "Westbank" ( Judaea und Samaria ) waere von Israel fast vollstaendig geraeumt worden und es haette ein geschlossenes und kein zerstueckeltes Siedlungsgebiet gegeben, was vom damaligen amerikanischen Verhandlungsfuehrer Dennis Ross hier auch so bestaetigt wird:
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HUME: Now, let's take a look at the map. Now, this is what -- how the Israelis had created a map based on the president's ideas. And...
ROSS: Right.
HUME: ... what can we -- that situation shows that the territory at least is contiguous. What about Gaza on that map?
ROSS: The Israelis would have gotten completely out of Gaza.
ROSS: And what you see also in this line, they show an area of temporary Israeli control along the border.
HUME: Right.
ROSS: Now, that was an Israeli desire. That was not what we presented. But we presented something that did point out that it would take six years before the Israelis would be totally out of the Jordan Valley.
So that map there that you see, which shows a very narrow green space along the border, would become part of the orange. So the Palestinians would have in the West Bank an area that was contiguous. Those who say there were cantons, completely untrue. It was contiguous.
HUME: Cantons being ghettos, in effect...
ROSS: Right.
HUME: ... that would be cut off from other parts of the Palestinian state.
ROSS: Completely untrue.
And to connect Gaza with the West Bank, there would have been an elevated highway, an elevated railroad, to ensure that there would be not just safe passage for the Palestinians, but free passage.
So that map there that you see, which shows a very narrow green space along the border, would become part of the orange. So the Palestinians would have in the West Bank an area that was contiguous. Those who say there were cantons, completely untrue. It was contiguous.
HUME: Cantons being ghettos, in effect...
ROSS: Right.
HUME: ... that would be cut off from other parts of the Palestinian state.
ROSS: Completely untrue.
And to connect Gaza with the West Bank, there would have been an elevated highway, an elevated railroad, to ensure that there would be not just safe passage for the Palestinians, but free passage.
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HUME: This was a final offer?
ROSS: Exactly. Exactly right.
HUME: This was the solution.
BARNES: Was Arafat alone in rejecting it? I mean, what about his negotiators?
ROSS: It's very clear to me that his negotiators understood this was the best they were ever going to get. They wanted him to accept it. He was not prepared to accept it.
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HUME: What, in your view, was the reason that Arafat, in effect, said no?
ROSS: Because fundamentally I do not believe he can end the conflict. We had one critical clause in this agreement, and that clause was, this is the end of the conflict.
Arafat's whole life has been governed by struggle and a cause. Everything he has done as leader of the Palestinians is to always leave his options open, never close a door. He was being asked here, you've got to close the door. For him to end the conflict is to end himself.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,50830,00.html
Man kann wirklich behaupten, dass die Palaestinenser im Jahre 2000 eine grosse historische Chance zu einem eigenen Staat gehabt haben und Arafat die Verhandlungen aus persoenlichen Gruenden wohl hat scheitern lassen, da nach Ansicht von Ross ein Frieden mit Israel das persoenliche und politische Ende Arafats bedeutet haette: "For him to end the conflict is to end himself."
Ausserdem waren die palaestinensischen Araber leider schon im Jahre 2000 zu keinerlei Kompromissen bereit gewesen, was man jetzt auch hier sehr gut nachlesen kann:
http://www.meforum.org/169/camp-david-real-and-invented
@mr-mali:Zitat:
Zitat von mr-mali
Ihr Hinweis auf Prinz Bandar ist sehr gut und wird auch im renommierten New Yorker so bestaetigt.
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/200...4fa_fact_walsh
Zumindest ist der NewYorker eine der renommiertesten Magazine der USA und wird regelmaessig von der intellektuellen Elite des Landes gelesen.Zitat:
Zitat von Widder58
Ganz sicher meinst du den Provokateur und Kriegsverbrecher Sharon, nicht wahr?Zitat:
Zitat von Soshana
Der Zionist hat auf dem Tempelberg ganz bewusst das Drama ausgelöst.
@Widder:Zitat:
Zitat von Widder58
Ich kann mich noch sehr gut erinnern, dass der Forist "Freelancer" mit seinem Freund "Attitude Adjuster" bzgl. Camp David 2000 argumentativ ganz schoen am Ende waren und dann das Handtuch warfen... Alles im "Israel-Friedens-Strang" nachlesbar:
http://www.politikforen.net/showthre...95936&page=219
Arafat wusste von dem Besuch Sharons auf dem Tempelberg schon vorher Bescheid, sodass hier keine Provokation vorlag.Zitat:
Zitat von vaater
Die Planungen fuer die 2.Intifada standen schon vorher fest und der Besuch des Tempelberges diente den Arabern nur als Vorwand. Die arabische Bevoelkerung wurde hier ganz gezielt von der eigenen Fuehrung getaeuscht.
Der teuflische Arafat war eine gerissene arabische Schlange, der man schon damals den Kopf haette abschlagen muessen.
Wie westliche Medien lügen, ist derzeit am Beispiel der Berichterstattung über die Abläufe vor und während der Angriffe der Mordallianz in Echtzeit zu verfolgen.Zitat:
Zitat von Soshana
Das habt ihr dann ja später erledigt.Zitat:
Zitat von Soshana
Auch Sharon hat seine Strafe erhalten.
Ja, grenzenlos dumm.Zitat:
Zitat von lobentanz
Dieser Staat ist gerade dabei, seine und eure Zukunft zu verspielen.