Syrien-Diskussion

[tosh]

Abdel-Jabbar al-Oqaidi, ein Kommandeur der "Freie" "Syrische" Armee genannten Truppe aus Söldnern und Dschihadisten, will die ohnehin wacklige Chemiewaffenvereinbarung nicht anerkennen (will er seine Chemiewaffen nicht abgeben?):

A Syrian rebel commander criticized the Russian plan for Syria to surrender its chemical weapons to avoid a US-led attack, calling it a “dirty deal.”
The plan “would serve Israel, not the Syrian people,” Col. Abdel-Jabbar al-Oqaidi, a commander in the Free Syrian Army, said in an interview with Al-Arabiya TV on Tuesday.

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Er fürchtet wohl, dass IsraHell das Zeug bekommt!?

Tja, wohin sollen sie denn sonst transportiert werden, etwa in die Türkei

[tosh]

Wladimir Putins offener Brief an die Amerikaner

Donnerstag, 12. September 2013 , von Freeman um 04:05

Die New York Times hat am 11. September einen Brief des russischen Präsidenten Wladimir Putin an das amerikanische Volk veröffentlicht. Der Brief trägt die Überschrift - "Ein Aufruf zur Vorsicht aus Russland - Was Putin den Amerikanern über Syrien sagen möchte". Den Text habe ich aus dem Englischen ins Deutsche übersetzt:

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Moskau - Die jüngsten Ereignisse rund um Syrien haben mich dazu gebracht, mich direkt an das amerikanische Volk und ihren politischen Führern zu wenden. Es ist wichtig, dies zu einem Zeitpunkt zu tun, der unzureichende Kommunikation zwischen unseren Gesellschaften.



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"Berichte, dass Militante einen weiteren Angriff vorbereiten - diesmal gegen Israel – dürfen nicht ignoriert werden."

Aus dem Mund des russischen Präsidenten muss das alle Alarmglocken leuten lassen, denn er muss ja gesicherte Informationen darüber haben, um das öffentlich zu sagen. Ist ganz klar ein Warnung an die welche diesen False Flag vorhaben, damit es eben nicht passiert...."

Der nächste false-flag kann wohl nicht verhindert werden,
es kommt darauf an, Obamba und die Amis darauf vorzubereiten,
damit sie nicht wieder darauf hereinfallen!!

[tosh]

Die Syrer sollten die Demokratie nicht mit Mörsern und Maschinengewehren erzwingen wollen...

Das tun fast nur Terroristen die von außen eingeschleust wurden und werden.

[vista]

Warte ab!

Nachdem sich Putin eingeschaltet hat, sind die Schreihälse des Imperiums und seiner Vasallen leiser geworden sind, kann man sich ruhig zurücklehnen und abwarten. Nun wird Assad den Terroristen zeigen, wo der Hammer hängt.. Wie immer taumelt unsere Angela dazwischen. Sie rudert hin und her und blamiert sich nur dabei. Hoffentlich hat sie bald ausgedient. Mit ihr ist kein Staat mehr zu machen.

Die USA und Russland bereiten eine zweite Friedenskonferenz für Syrien vor. Darauf haben sich in Genf die Außenminister Kerry und Lawrow geeinigt. Noch in diesem Monat werde es ein Treffen in New York geben, um einen Termin festzulegen. Wie bereits Mitte vergangenen Jahres solle die Friedenskonferenz in Genf stattfinden. Kerry und Lawrow beraten nach wie vor über einen Zeitplan für die Vernichtung der syrischen Chemiewaffen-Bestände. Nach Angaben von Diplomaten gibt es in diesem Punkt bisher keine Einigung. Syrien hatte sich gestern bereiterklärt, die internationale Chemiewaffen-Konvention zu unterzeichnen.

[bernhard44]

den Brief heben wir uns mal auf:

Op-Ed Contributor

A Plea for Caution From Russia

What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria

By VLADIMIR V. PUTIN

Published: September 11, 2013 [Links nur für registrierte Nutzer]



MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.

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Readers responded to multiple aspects of an Op-Ed by Russian President Vladimir V. Putin, published by The New York Times on Wednesday, Sept. 11.


Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.
The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.
No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.
The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.
Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in [Links nur für registrierte Nutzer]. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.
Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.
From the outset, [Links nur für registrierte Nutzer] has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.
No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.
It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”
But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.
No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.
The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.
We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.
A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of [Links nur für registrierte Nutzer], the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.
I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.
If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.
My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.

[tosh]

Ja eben, warum sucht man nicht auch bei den Rebellen nach Chemiewaffen !!!

Es gab ja die Forderung, dass der Gerichtshof in Den Haag untersuchen soll, wer die C-Waffen eingesetzt hat, die würden da schon fündig werden!
Was wurde aus dieser Forderung?

[bernhard44]

den Brief heben wir uns mal auf:

Op-Ed Contributor

A Plea for Caution From Russia

What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria

By VLADIMIR V. PUTIN

Published: September 11, 2013 [Links nur für registrierte Nutzer]


MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.


Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.
The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.
No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.
The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.
Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in [Links nur für registrierte Nutzer]. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.
Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.
From the outset, [Links nur für registrierte Nutzer] has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.
No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.
It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”
But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.
No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.
The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.
We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.
A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of [Links nur für registrierte Nutzer], the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.
I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.
If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.
My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.

[vista]

Hast du gesehen wie wir ohne Widderstand die Syrische Kaserne auseinander nahmen?Die Syrer konnten nichteinmal Pieps sagen![Links nur für registrierte Nutzer]

Das Video ist mir schon einmal nach dem Angriff auf Libyen aufgefallen. Es soll angeblich aus dem Überfall auf den Irak stammen. Inszeniert und aufgenommen wurde es allerdings in Hollywood, und zwar ausgeschnitten aus einem alten Kriegsfilm. Das ist deutlich an den schlechten Bildern und der primitiven Kameraführung zu erkennen.

[tosh]

Hand auf's Herz, aktuell macht die NSA mir deutlich größere Bauschmerzen, als es der SWR in den letzten 15 Jahren geschafft hat ....

[vista]

. . . . und die Säuberung werden die Haßprediger der Islamisten vornehmen!

Die werden dazu verdonnert.