Syrien-Diskussion

[dorbei]

Wenn es seine Jubelperser sind wohl kaum..vielleicht,so wie im Iran und anderswo,wurden sie aus dem ganzen Land zusammengetrieben und auch ein Anteil,ausländische Mitjubler ist nich von der Hand zu weisen..

Knud

Ich meinte eigentlich die Assad-Gegner in deinem Video.

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Das syrische Militär hat seit Beginn der islamistischen Aufstände über 1.100 Soldaten durch Heckenschützen,Hinterhalte und Überfälle verloren.

Robert Fisk: Assad's army remains defiant as it buries its dead

Syrian officers told me 1,150 soldiers have been killed in Syria in the past seven months - an extraordinary death toll


Sergeant Jassem Abdul-Raheem Shehadi and Private Ahmed Khalaf Adalli of the Syrian Army were sent to their graves yesterday with the send-off their families would have wished for; coffins draped with the Syrian flag, trumpets and drums and wreaths held by their comrades, and the presence of their commanding officer.

There was a Last Post, Chopin's funeral march – mixed with ululating staff at the Tishreen Hospital to which their remains had been transferred – and then the nine-hour journey by ambulance to their hometown, Raka. Shehadi was 19, Adalli was 20. And their uncles swore they had died for President Bashar al-Assad.

They were shot dead in Deraa – by snipers, according to their commanding officer, Major Walid Hatim. "By terrorists," he said several times. Assad's opponents might have no sympathy with these dead soldiers – nor Amnesty, nor Human Rights Watch, nor the United Nations, who say 3,000 civilians have been killed by Syrian security forces, nor the Americans, nor the British et al – but those two coffins suggested that there is more than one story to the Syrian Revolution. Syrian officers told me yesterday that 1,150 soldiers have been killed in Syria in the past seven months, an extraordinary death toll for regular Syrian troops if correct. On Zawi mountain near Idlib, Major Hatim said, 30 Syrian soldiers had been killed in an ambush. Mazjera was the word he used. A massacre.

Shehadi and Adalli were based in Deraa, where the opposition to Assad began. Shehadi was there for six months, Adalli for four. It was a sign of the times that Major Hatim arrived at the Damascus funeral in civilian clothes. Why was he not wearing his uniform, I asked? "It is easier," he replied. Because of the dangers driving from Deraa? "Maybe," he replied. That, too, told its own story. Both the dead soldiers had lost their fathers years ago and their two uncles had travelled here from Raka to escort the bodies home. They were from poor families, they said. The boys and their uncles had been looking after their mothers.

Shehadi's uncle, Salim Abdullah, in a brown abaya and drawing heavily on a cigarette, was on the edge of tears. "My nephew had three brothers and two sisters, and they are very poor," he said. "His mother Arash will now have to be looked after by us. Those killers have killed the hope of our family. He was the youngest boy."

Behind Salim Shehadi, Syrian troops stood in full battledress as the coffins were brought from the hospital mortuary. All Syria's military dead leave from the gloomy portals of the Tishreen Hospital, a vast concrete building in the suburbs of Damascus. Even the ambulance driver prostrated himself in tears over his vehicle.

Syrian television had a crew at the hospital, along with the ever loyal Syrian Arab News Agency, but it was highly unusual for a foreign reporter to be invited to this ceremony, let alone to speak to Syrian officers. Major Hatim explained to me that the two soldiers were killed in a planned ambush; the sniper was firing from between two houses. There was a strange confluence in this description. Opponents of Assad often claim that it is they that are fired on by snipers using the cover of buildings.

But few people in Syria now doubt that, however peaceful – and yet bloody – the anti-government demonstrations in Homs and Hama are, the Syrian Army has become a major target. Needless to say, Major Hatim, a 25-year army veteran, was also a supporter of the President.

Hatim talked of Syria's "resistance" on the part of the Palestinians, that soldiers sometimes had to die for their country, that their enemy is Israel. There is much talk in Damascus of a "foreign hand" behind the killings in Syria, although the Major admitted that, in this case, "unfortunately the killers are Syrian".

But Salim Shehadi wanted to say more. "I hope you will be honest and tell the truth," he said. "Tell the truth about the killing of Syrian people. The hand of terrorists took my nephew. We are all ready to be martyred for Syria and for our President Assad." It sounded too pat, this little speech from a grieving man, and a reporter must ask if this was a set-up. Yet the military had only four minutes before I arrived for the funeral, and I doubt if they could have coaxed this poor man to say these words.

Perhaps, up in distant Raka, they believe these words of loyalty – Abdullah Hilmi, Adalli's uncle, an older man in a brown robe, said much the same – and certainly Major Hatim believed what he said. But what of those YouTube pictures, of the shooting of demonstrators and mourners at funerals – no danger of that at this funeral yesterday – and the 3,000 civilian dead of which the UN now talks?

I suppose that, until we Western journalists can investigate without government restrictions, it's a YouTube picture against the word of two poor men in peasants' clothes.

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[Knudud_Knudsen]

Ich meinte eigentlich die Assad-Gegner in deinem Video.

Das war nur eine Gruppe der Gesamtbewegung...auch dort gibt es Strömungen wie wir bei der Wahl in Tunesien sehen konnten..
Egal ob wir das toll finden,ob es unsere Interessen schwächt,dass sollten und müssen wir hinnehmen,nur dann kann dort eine,wie auch immer geartete Demokratie entstehen..

Knud

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Das syrische Militär hat seit Beginn der islamistischen Aufstände über 1.100 Soldaten durch Heckenschützen,Hinterhalte und Überfälle verloren.


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Nicht zu vergessen auch durch das Zusammenschießen ganzer Einheiten durch eigene Kameraden,weil sie nicht auf das Volk schießen wollten..

Knud

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Ein neues Übersichtsbild:

[dorbei]

Nicht zu vergessen auch durch das Zusammenschießen ganzer Einheiten durch eigene Kameraden,weil sie nicht auf das Volk schießen wollten..

Knud

Auch das kennt man aus Libyen: gegnerische Opfer werden als eigene deklariert. Beweise dafür blieben natürlich aus.

[Doppelagent]

[B]Ein neues Übersichtsbild:

es hat schon etwas amüsantes, wenn bei solchen showveranstaltungen die fahnen russlands und chinas aufgezogen werden um sich jenen anzubiedern.
einen wodkaumnebelten russen mag diese peinlichkeit evtl. sogar gefallen, einen chinesen ist das so egal wie sonst was.

[Bettmaen]

Sollte das passieren und Israel darin involviert sein, dann kannst du mich zukünftig als entschlossenen Gegner Israels ansehen.:]

Israel ist mit dem status quo zufrieden. Sollte es einen Regimewechsel geben, könnten die strategisch wichtigen Golanhöhen wackeln. Einem kompomisslosen Assad gegenüber kann Israel genauso kompromisslos gegenüber treten und auf die Golanhöhen insistieren.

[Steiner]

Heute gibt es eine weitere große Pro-Assad Demonstration in Lattakia













Das syrische Volk steht fest hinter Bashar Al Assad.:]

[Dayan]

Heute gibt es eine weitere große Pro-Assad Demonstration in Lattakia













Das syrische Volk steht fest hinter Bashar Al Assad.:]

Sowas gabs auch in der ehmaligen DDR ca 3 Wochen vor dem Zusammenbruch!