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Jo, die "feiern" so ähnlich wie unter Honecker damals gefeiert wurde...
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"Run on a shoestring budget, its circulation is about 2,000. "
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Jo, die "feiern" so ähnlich wie unter Honecker damals gefeiert wurde...
Geändert von LOL (21.02.2020 um 21:49 Uhr)
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Dazu bin ich auch überfragt, ehrlich gesagt war ich über die Hintergründe sehr überrascht. Am Anfang habe ich nur spekuliert von Assads Geburtsdatum ausgehend, ohne irgendetwas zu wissen. Aber ich weiss, dass es in den USA immer wieder eine Diskussion darüber gab, welches Symbolträchtiges Datum der 9/11 denn ist und wieso man diesen Tag ausgesucht hätte. Es kann natürlich purer Zufall sein, aber wenn man insgesamt die Informationen alle betrachtet und dass offenbar die Syrer irgendwie involviert waren und dass auch Assad Zammar aus Marokko aus dem Gefängnis geholt hat, wirft das einige Fragezeichen auf.
Welcher von den Nazis in der Führungsriege war denn ein Grobschlächter? Da waren ja die meisten sogar in der Führungsriege hochgradig gebildet und hatten ein hohes IQ und erschienen in der Gesellschaft als sehr zivilisiert. Und die 9/11 Attentäter sind ja auch sehr gebildet und nicht irgendwelche Dumpfbacken von der Strasse.
Wieso sollte er nicht diese Proxies auch selbst nutzen? Es ist ja erwiesen, dass es sich um Söldner handelt. Die Al-Nusra hat sich ja sogar bei Israel in ihren öffentlichen Videos bedankt für Waffenlieferungen und Unterstützung. Jeder benutzt die und kann sie in jegliche Richtung lenken. Das sind Proxygruppen.
Ich weiss, ich habe dazu Artikel und auch das Video gepostet. Das war lange Zeit vorher geplant und das ist sehr interessant und auch schockierend. Alles war mit Ankündigung! Aber wir haben ja Qualitätsmedien, die das nirgends erwähnen und thematisieren oder noch weiter nachhaken ...
Vielen Dank, schaue ich mir auf jeden Fall an!
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Das ist kein Beweis, der Guardian übernimmt nur seine Zahl, die er schlichtweg behauptet. Laut Wikipedia hatte der Kasper bereits 2001 exakt die Auflage von 2000 genannt. Und 18 Jahre danach soll es immer noch EXAKT 2000 sein und hat sich nie geändert? Also ich denke, der will sich wichtiger machen als er ist und sucht nur nach Aufmerksamkeit. Seine Webseite ist bereits seit 2012 tot und wird nicht mehr gepflegt. Bring mir mal nachvollziehbare Quellen über sämtliche Zeitungen in Nordzypern. Eine solche Übersicht über Verkaufszahlen der Zeitungen muss es geben und dann sehen wir weiter.
Der grosse Widerspruch fällt Dir offenbar nicht auf, einerseits sollen die Nordzyprioten angeblich Anti-Türkisch sein und dann feiern diese die Unabhängigkeit von euch Griechen? Hast Du Dir mal deren Fahne angeschaut? An was erinnert Dich die Fahne? Denk mal ganz scharf darüber nachJo, die "feiern" so ähnlich wie unter Honecker damals gefeiert wurde...
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Da siehst du also mal selbst, dass die Auflage immer um die 2000 ist und das ist relativ zur Bevöllkerungszahl sogar sehr hoch...
Diese "Feiern" sind nur eure Feiern und die anderen sind Statisten. Was dort tatsächlich abgeht ist das:
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Die meisten Zyperntürken haben absolut keinen Bock auf euch...und das wisst ihr auch und deswegen hasst ihr sie.
Bei euch ist nur eins sicher: Ihr verarscht und verkauft sowieso JEDEN, auch eure "Brüder" und sogar euch selbst!
P.S. Ich habe in London schon so einige Zyperntürken kennengelernt, das waren alles weltoffene und coole Leute und sprachen sogar sehr oft auch noch Griechisch.
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Bitte poste einfach in einen entsprechenden Thread und es ist mal gut mit dem Off-Topic. Dass Nordzyprioten ein Problem mit Erdogan haben, ist mir auch bekannt. Rauf Denktas gilt dort überall als Volksheld und es gibt niemanden in Nordzypern, der nicht Atatürk Anhänger ist, das ist was ich dort gesehen habe. In der Türkei ist auch die Hälfte der Türkei gegen Erdogan und es sieht danach aus, dass es mittlerweile über 70% sind.
Was Du Dir herbeifantasierst hat, ist nur erheiternd.
Was die angebliche Auflage von der Zeitung anbelangt, Märchengeschichten. Nichts anderes. Absolut lächerlich. Da will ich keine Behauptungen hören, sondern Fakten. Der Typ ist schlichtweg ein Troll und Aufmerksamkeitshure. Das hat schon was krankhaftes bei dem. Der sympathisiert ja NACH EIGENEN AUSSAGEN hin auch mit der PKK Partei HDP. Kann man nicht Ernst nehmen.
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Viele Worte und kein einziger Sinn.
Die nordzypriotische Zeitung Afrika ist relativ zur Bevölkerung auflagenstark und sie beanstandet und vergleicht eure Invasion in Zypern mit eurer jetzigen Invasion in Syrien.
Das ausgerechnet Zyperntürken euch Türken klar als Invasoren in Zypern und Syrien
darstellen muss euch natürlich nicht zu denken geben, denn mit dem Denken habt ihr es sowieso nicht...
P.S. Und deinen schwachsinnigen PKK-HDP Blödsinn solltest du auch mal sein lassen...
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Neueste Nachrichten! Das US-Militär sagt, sie hat fast 715 Millionen US-Dollar an Waffen in Syrien nicht ordnungsgemäss gelagert und dadurch "verloren".
Das syrische Schlachtfeld ist mit amerikanischer Technologie und Waffen übersät, darunter Panzerabwehrraketen, Schulterraketen und Nachtsichtgeräte.
Ein Teil dieser Ausrüstung ist laut Meldung in ISIS- und Al-Qaida-Händen gelandet, weil die Partnertruppen laut den USA es auf dem Schlachtfeld "verloren haben" und ISIS angeblich Anfang 2014 die Waffenkammern von US-unterstützten Gruppen geplündert haben, als die Dschihadistengruppe über den Irak und Syrien ging. Ja, macht Sinn!
Die 715 Millionen US-Dollar für Waffen und Ausrüstung waren Teil eines Antrags des Verteidigungsministeriums (Gesamtvolumen 930 Millionen US-Dollar) und genehmigt worden für den Kampf gegen ISIS in Irak und Syrien, auch bekannt als CTEF, für das Geschäftsjahr 2017 bis zum Geschäftsjahr 2018.
Lest mal den Artikel, sehr interessant!
US military did not properly store or account for nearly $715 million in weapons for Syrian partners fighting ISIS
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At Christmas 1963 the Greek Cypriot militia attacked Turkish Cypriot communities across the island, and very many men, women, and children were killed. 270 of their mosques, shrines and other places of worship were desecrated.
On 28 December 1963 the Daily Express carried the following report from Cyprus: "We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears."
On 31 December 1963 The Guardian reported: "It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualties were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of a doctor—allegedly by a group of forty men, many in army boots and greatcoats." Although the Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could, and killed some militia, there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.
On 1 January 1964 the Daily Herald reported: "When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house."
On 2 January 1964 the Daily Telegraph wrote "The Greek Cypriot community should not assume that the British military presence can or should secure them against Turkish intervention if they persecute the Turkish Cypriots. We must not be a shelter for double-crossers." Britain did not however make any serious attempt to stop the Greek Cypriots.
On 14 January 1964 the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on 26 December 1963, and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross. A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by The Observer on 16 February 1964, and there were many more. On 17 February 1964 the Washington Post reported that "Greek Cypriot fanatics appear bent on a policy of genocide." The Greek Cypriot Minister of the Interior admitted[120] that he had controlled the attack in Limassol himself.
British troops in Cyprus at the time did what they could to protect the Turkish Cypriots, and their efforts are remembered to this day, but the scale and ferocity of the Greek Cypriot attacks, and lack of political will in London, made their task impossible. On 6 February 1964 a British patrol found armed Greek Cypriot police attacking the Turkish Cypriots of Ayios Sozomenos, but they were unable to stop the attack.
On 13 February 1964 the Greeks and Greek Cypriots attacked the Turkish Cypriot quarter of Limassol with tanks, killing 16 and injuring 35. On 15 February 1964 The Daily Telegraph reported: "It is a real military operation which the Greek Cypriots launched against the six thousand inhabitants of the Turkish Cypriot Quarter yesterday morning. A spokesman for the Greek Cypriot Government has recognised this officially...
On 10 September 1964 the UN Secretary-General reported (UN doc. S/5950):
"UNFICYP carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island during the disturbances, . . . . . . . . . it shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish-Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In the Orphomita suburb of Nicosia, 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 240 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs."
He further recalls[124] that "a massacre took place in Limassol on the south coast in which as I recall about 50 Turkish Cypriots were killed, in some cases by bulldozers crushing their flimsy homes. I said to Makarios sharply that such beastly actions had to stop.
On 7 August 1964 the Greek Cypriots attacked Turkish Cypriot villages, provoking the Turkish government to send four warplanes to attack the Greek Cypriot village of Polis. On 8 August thirty Turkish jets flew low over Greek Cypriot towns on the north coast, and on 9 August, sixty-four Turkish planes flew low over north-west Cyprus.
On 12 August the US Ambassador to Greece was instructed to urge the Greek government to stop the attacks on Turkish Cypriots, and Kruschev told the Greek Cypriots that they could expect no support from the Soviet Union[127] Finally the Greek Cypriots desisted, but had it not been for these warning flights there would have been few Turkish Cypriots left alive. They were saved by the Turkish Air Force, not by the UN.
On 14 January 1964 "Il Giorno" of Italy reported: "Right now we are witnessing the exodus of Turkish Cypriots from the villages. Thousands of people abandoning homes, land, herds. Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This time the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the statues of Plato do not cover up their barbaric and ferocious behaviour." The Turkish Cypriots had to establish an elected authority to govern themselves whilst confined in their enclaves.
A Greek Cypriot journalist, Antonis Angastionotis, concerned that the truth had been kept from the Greek Cypriot people for so long, has made a documentary film entitled "The Voice of Blood" which shows the attempted genocide carried out against the Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots in the villages of Murataga-Sandallar-Atly«lar and Taskent in 1974. It is unlikely that this documentary will be shown on greek television.
The Matron of the Nicosia Hospital, Nurse Trkan Aziz MBE recalled in her memoirs[143] how Greek Cypriot militia roamed the hospital wards killing the Turkish Cypriot patients[144] Later she found the bodies of two Turkish Cypriot boys to whom she had given refuge in her own apartments at the hospital. "The two sat on chairs exactly where I had left them, but this time they did not rise to greet me with smiles. Dark blood welled through the tattered remnants of their shirts and dripped on the carpet. Their Greek Cypriot "guard" had vanished, spraying the staircase senselessly with bullets as he left"[145]
Matron Aziz describes the horror of Ayios Vasilios as follows[146]
"a few feet down they found the first bodies, three men thrown on top of each other, then a boy whose hands had been tied behind his knees, then a little girl, then an old man dressed in his peasant-style baggy trousers, then some women. There were 21 bodies, almost all dressed, but not in hospital garb. These were Turkish Cypriot families who had lived in Ayios Vasilios."
The relevance of "hospital garb" is that the Greek Cypriots "revealed a new depth of sickness of the mind by insisting the bodies were of patients in the hospital who had died of natural causes[147] They had issued a press statement saying "Turks distort the truth."
On 28 July 1965[148] the former British Minister, Duncan Sandys said in the House of Commons: "the flagrantly illegal action of the Cyprus government gives to Turkey an unquestionable right under the Treaty of Guarantee to intervene in order to restore the Constitution."
Despite the withdrawal of Turkish Cypriots into defended enclaves, they were subjected to further massacres of civilians in 1967 when, on 27 March the Greeks and Greek Cypriots shelled the village of Mari for four hours. On 15 November 1967 2,000 armed men with artillery and armoured forces attacked the Turkish Cypriot quarter of Ayios Theodoros. At the same time the village of Getcikale (Kophinou) was attacked. During these attacks UN soldiers watched helpless as women children, and old men were killed—many burned alive in their own homes—and 50 houses were destroyed. Only further warning flights by the Turkish Air Force prevented more massacres at this time, and forced the withdrawal of some of the mainland Greek forces which had been illegally built up in Cyprus.
By 15 July 1974 a powerful force of mainland Greek troops had assembled in Cyprus and with their backing the Greek Cypriot National Guard overthrew Makarios and installed one Nicos Sampson as "President."
The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on 26 February 1981 in which he said "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS—I would have annihilated the Turks of Cyprus."
On 3 March 1996 the Greek Cypriot Cyprus Mail wrote: "[Greek] Cypriot governments have found it convenient to conceal the scale of atrocities during the 15th July coup in an attempt to downplay its contribution to the tragedy of the summer of 1974 and instead blame the Turkish invasion for all casualties. There can be no justification for any government that failed to investigate this sensitive humanitarian issue. The shocking admission by the Clerides government that there are people buried in Nicosia cemetery who are still included in the list of the "missing" is the last episode of a human drama which has been turned into a propaganda tool."
In the village of Tokhni on 14 August 1974 all the Turkish Cypriot men between the ages of 13 and 74, except for eighteen who managed to escape, were taken away and shot. (Times, Guardian, 21 August)
In Zyyi on the same day all the Turkish-Cypriot men aged between 19 and 38 were taken away and were never seen again. On the same day Greek-Cypriots opened fire in the Turkish-Cypriot neighbourhood of Paphos killing men, women, and children indiscriminately. On 23 July 1974 the Washington Post reported "In a Greek raid on a small Turkish village near Limassol 36 people out of a population of 200 were killed. The Greeks said that they had been given orders to kill the inhabitants of the Turkish villages before the Turkish forces arrived."[151]
"The Greeks began to shell the Turkish quarter on Saturday, refugees said. Kazan Dervis, a Turkish Cypriot girl aged 15, said she had been staying with her uncle. The [Greek Cypriot] National Guard came into the Turkish sector and shooting began. She saw her uncle and other relatives taken away as prisoners, and later heard her uncle had been shot."[152]
On 28 July the New York Times reported that 14 Turkish-Cypriot men had been shot in Alaminos. On 24 July 1974 "France Soir" reported "The Greeks burned Turkish mosques and set fire to Turkish homes in the villages around Famagusta. Defenceless Turkish villagers who have no weapons live in an atmosphere of terror and they evacuate their homes and go and live in tents in the forests. The Greeks' actions are a shame to humanity."
On 22 July Turkish Prime Minister Ecevit called upon the UN to "stop the genocide of Turkish-Cypriots" and declared "Turkey has accepted a cease-fire, but will not allow Turkish-Cypriots to be massacred."[153] The German newspaper Die Zeit wrote on 30 August 1974 "the massacre of Turkish Cypriots in Paphos and Famagusta is the proof of how justified the Turks were to undertake their intervention".
"Turkey intervened to protect the lives and property of the Turkish-Cypriots, and to its credit it has done just that. In the 12 years since, there have been no killings and no massacres" Lord Willis (Labour) House of Lords 17th December 1986[155]
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Schon klar Grieche...
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Hahahaha, ausgerechnet die Briten zitierst du, welche ja als KOLONIALMACHT gerade gegen die damaligen zyperngriechischen Freiheitskämpfer kämpften und sogar mehrere dieser Freiheitskämpfer hingerichtet haben. Diese Postkolonialisten erzählen dir ALLES nur um weiterhin da zu bleiben, genauso wie ihr...
Wenn du nix besseres hast, hier mal ne Info zu den Zyperntürken, die (im Gegensatz zu den Griechen dort) allsamt britische Staatsbürger (und damit selbst Kolonialisten) wurden und keine Türken mehr waren - steht alles im Lausanner Vertrag:
Alle Türkischen Staatsbürger die Türken bleiben wollten mussten Zypern verlassen. Alle anderen türkischen Staatsbürger wurden automatisch Briten.ARTICLE 20.
Turkey hereby recognises the annexation of Cyprus proclaimed by the British Government on the sth November, 1914.
ARTICLE 2I .
Turkish nationals ordinarily resident in Cyprus on the 5th November, 1914, will acquire British nationality subject to the conditions laid down in the local law, and will thereupon lose their Turkish nationality. They will, however, have the right to opt for Turkish nationality within two years from the coming into force of the present Treaty, provided that they leave Cyprus within twelve months after having so opted.
Turkish nationals ordinarily resident in Cyprus on the coming into force of the present Treaty who, at that date, have acquired or are in process of acquiring British nationality in consequence of a request made in accordance with the local law, will also thereupon lose their Turkish nationality.
It is understood that the Government of Cyprus will be entitled to refuse British nationality to inhabitants of the island who, being Turkish nationals, had formerly acquired another nationality without the consent of the Turkish Government.
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Die Zyperntürken galten damals selbst als Briten, also als Vollbürger der Kolonialmacht in Zypern.
Du musst noch viel lernen.... aber hier ist das Thema Syrien.
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Highlights unserer türkischen Traumtanz-Experten im Forum.
Wieder Papa mit seinem damaligen Traum:
Die Realität der türkischen Republik sieht dann so aus:
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Für die Türkei wurde dafür eigens ein neuer Begriff gewählt:
Bettel-Regionalmacht
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