Was falsch ist? Alles. Deine von Hass verzehrte Sichtweise. Nur warum soll ich auf Einzelheiten eingehen. Du bist unbelehrbar.Zitat:
Zitat von Nachbar
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Was falsch ist? Alles. Deine von Hass verzehrte Sichtweise. Nur warum soll ich auf Einzelheiten eingehen. Du bist unbelehrbar.Zitat:
Zitat von Nachbar
Ich sehe nur, daß Du am bölken bist, mehr nicht.Zitat:
Zitat von Alter Stubentiger
Dein Bewußtsein ist leider nicht mehr gegeben, die Ereignisse sind Dir nicht mehr zugegen.
Sowas nimmt keiner wahr.
Willst Du noch Dein Gesicht wahren, dann begründe.
n13245
Hier mal wieder eine aktuelle militärische Karte vom 11.07.2014:
Sollte selbsterklärend sein.
Anhang 44869
Was denkt ihr dazu?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FNvS8LXbxi...0%BE%D0%BA.jpg Alexander Khodakovskii
1) With Strelkov's return to Donetsk, order and unity of command in the Resistance forces have apparently been restored and the disagreements between Strelkov and Alexander Khodakovskii (ex-commander of the Donetsk "Alpha" unit) settled.
2) In a joint press conference, Igor Strelkov , Alexander Borodai and Vladimir Antiufeev (respectively in charge of military, political and state security affairs) have announced the formation of a council of military commanders which will be in charge of all the military units in Novorussia. At the same press conference they also announced a large (voluntary) evacuation of civilians from the suburbs of Donetsk. Clearly the city is preparing itself for a major attack followed by a siege.
http://vybor-naroda.org/uploads/post...ewsru.com.jpeg Sergei Kurginian
3) A fierce dispute has taken place between Igor Strelkov and Sergei Kurginian who accused Strelkov of abandoning Slaviansk and who claimed that the Novorussians were now receiving much more and much better aid from Russia than before. While Borodai accused Kurginian of spreading Ukie or US propaganda, I personally believe that Kurdinian's role is to reassure the Russian public that enough had been done by the Russian civil society (nobody has ever mentioned any aid from the Russian government). Whatever may be the case, Alexander Borodai settled the dispute when he reported that his consultations in Moscow were "very successful, and I am very much counting on the assistance of the Russian Federation in the nearest possible future. As it is, the Russian people, at present, are already providing colossal assistance to us, both in terms of volunteers and in terms of humanitarian aid. I expect that this assistance will continue to grow". Clearly, some kind of deal has been struck between the Novorussia leaders and the Kremlin, though of course the details will remain secret and the assistance presented as one of the "Russian people" as opposed to the Russian government (-: though one could, of course, wonder why Borodai needed consultations in Moscow to get assistance from the Russian people http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...icon_smile.gif
http://newspmr.com/uploads/2012/02/antufeev.jpg Vladimir Antiufeev
4) The Ukies have apparently been reinforcing their artillery on the border with Crimea, but the consensus is that while these systems have the range to strike at Crimean towns, the Russian response to that would be as swift and as devastating as to make such a move suicidal for the Ukies. The Russian military has been steadily and rapidly reinforcing its capabilities in Crimea which now include total airspace coverage by the latest version of the S-300 air defense systems and a redeployment of Russian fighter-bombers. Even the usually soft-spoken Sergei Lavrov has delivered a blunt warning saying that he would not advise anybody to try to attack Crimea as Russia would retaliate.
5) The Ukrainian Air Force continues to lose aircraft on a regular basis, today again a Ukie Su-25 was shot down near Lugansk.
6) In another interesting recent development, Igor Strelkov announced that from now on the soldiers fighting for the Novorussian military would be paid a salary which is more than adequate by Ukrainian norms. Clearly another sign that "somebody" is now financing the Resistance.
My guess is that Poroshenko will declare that the Grad MLRS who today destroyed much of the 79th Brigade were firing from Russia. The first reason why I believe that he will say this is that this will allow him and, more importantly, his US bosses to re-ignite the russophobic hysteria. The second reason is that if these Grads were in Russia, then those Ukie units who are away from the Russian border are in relative safety. But if these Grads were fired by the Resistance from Novorussia, that would mean that any and all Ukie units in Novorussia could potentially become the target of such strikes.
Whatever may be the case, we have one of two options here: either the Russian finally decided to give the Ukies a little taste of their own medicine, while at the same time making them pay for the numerous attacks on Russian border posts, or the Resistance really did get their hands on enough Grads to carry out such an attack. In that case it is pretty darn obvious were these Grads came from, even though, of course, nobody will admit anything.
Is the Russian border with the Ukraine porous? Yes, of course. But not to the point that convoys of MLRS' could cross it without the knowledge and agreement of the Russian government. Could Strelkov and his forces have "nationalized" some money from seizing Kolomoiskii's banks? Yes, of course. But not enough to pay for a war. Could Russian volunteers (including Russian oligarchs) have sent money to help the Novorussians? Yes, of course, but not without the FSB knowing and allowing it. So what we are witnessing is clearly the following: the Russian *government* is not sending any "official" military assistance to Novorussia, but instead it is the Russian *society* which, with the full knowledge and blessing of the Russian government, is doing it. Hence the happy smile on Borodai's face when he spoke about this "consultations" in Moscow.
Is the Kremlin taking a big risk with this strategy? I don't think so. Since that aid is small enough it offers what the CIA calls "plausible deniability", but since it is continuous enough, it is sufficient to make a crucial difference. Furthermore, all that the Kremlin is *really* doing is not impeding assistance, this is a passive position which can easily be explained away "we try", "it is hard", "you know our corruption problems" etc.
Finally, I will hazard a guess. My feeling is that the Atlantic Integrationists in the Kremlin and around it are not happy at all with the aid Russia is providing and that there is a pretty good chance that Putin is using his old contacts with the secret services to get things done. When I look at the latest actions of Strelkov, Borodai and Antiufeev I do get a strong sense that this recent "consolidation" of power has a very typical "KGB feel" to it. Not that this is a bad thing in present circumstances.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8LWq3PeZSp...0%B5%D0%B2.pnga Strelkov, Borodai, Antiufeev
Dass es Russland gewesen sein soll ist nur ein Gerücht, würde Kiew natürlich sehr passen.Zitat:
Zitat von tosh
Und die NOD-Truppen haben diese Schlagkraft, da sie mittlerweile über Grads verfügen.
Begründung:Zitat:
Zitat von Nachbar
Deine Texte sind reine Wuttexte. Scharping, Kosovo, Serbien, Nazihorden, rechter Sektor, Timoschenko, Massaker, ethnische Säuberungen. Das sind die die Worte die einfach ohne Sinn und Verstand zu immer neuen inhaltsgleichen Statements von dir und ähnlich Denkenden eingestellt werden. Irgendeine sinnvolle Diskussionsgrundlage kann auf dieser Basis nicht entstehen.
Verstehst du jetzt warum das was du bringst einfach nur Unsinn ist? Das einzig Gute ist daß ihr so Dampf ablassen könnt ohne jemanden zu schaden. Trotzdem weise ich euch immer wieder gern darauf hin was ich von solchem Tun halte. :watschn:
Genosse, erneut bitte ich Dich um Sachlichkeit.Zitat:
Zitat von Alter Stubentiger
Dein Gebarden drückt nur eine erkennbare Apostase zum Pragmatikotie.
Zusätzlich bist Du Dir nicht im Klaren ob meiner verwendeten Begriffe; so habe ich z.B. nicht von ethnischen Säuberungen gesprochen, jetzt nicht, gestern nicht, und auch davor nicht.
Nur, wenn Du etwas beobachtest, so beschreibe diese Beobachtung ablaufsnah.
Für Dich zur Hepananeose:
http://www.ag-friedensforschung.de/t...d08-02-01.htmlZitat:
Scharpings Lügen vor einem Millionenpublikum entlarvt! Willi Wimmer (CDU):
Jugoslawien-Krieg war ein "ordinärer Angriffskrieg"
"ES BEGANN MIT EINER LÜGE - DEUTSCHLANDS WEG IN DEN KOSOVO-KRIEG" -
Eine Dokumentation des Westdeutschen Rundfunks schlägt hohe Wellen
n13248
Obwohl du das vielleicht sogar hättest tun können, denn die Definition ließe das wohl auf die Geschehnisse anwenden.Zitat:
Zitat von Nachbar
Der Begriff wurde und wird teils als wertfreier Begriff rezipiert und teils als Euphemismus für Völkermord kritisiert. Zum Beispiel bezeichnete der amerikanische Politikwissenschaftler Norman M. Naimark den Begriff 'Ethnische Säuberung' als „nützlichen und vertretbaren Begriff“. Im Unterschied zum Völkermord hat eine Ethnische Säuberung in der Regel nicht primär die Vernichtung, sondern die Entfernung einer Gruppe zum Ziel; sie kann, wenn dabei Methoden wie Massenmord angewendet werden, die Dimension eines Völkermords annehmen.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnische_S%C3%A4uberung
Das war wohl der Grad Angriff auf das Armeelager der kiewer Junta. Von der Uhrzeit würde es passen, da laut Kiew das Lager in den frühen Morgenstunden angegriffen worden ist. Man achte auf den 45° Winkel der Abschüsse, was bedeutet, die Raketen wurden bei der maximalen Reichweite eingesetzt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD_CCHb3BpU
Poroschenkos Rache dafür an den Zivilisten von Donezk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyZ0nqFDyPE
Habe hier noch etwas gefunden bezüglich des sehr einseitigen Berichts von Amnesty International.
Da schreibt einer aus Charkiw folgendes:
Ich hege keine großen Zweifel an der Echtheit seiner Darstellung.Zitat:
Kharkov is 50/50, but one side is heavilly suppressed by government and nationalist activists, which are protected by government. 300-400 people are arrested officially under "separatism" article(5-15 years in prison). How many people were arrested under fictionally articles, nobody knows. A lot of people were detained for such things like painting a flag on a lamppost, police "found" drugs in pockets and these people got long sentence.
After many rallies, most of activists are jailed. Police and "patriotic people" just analyse the photos-videos of any rally and identify people. After that there comes night visits of cops or "patriots" for "friendly conversations".
Overall people are afraid to voice any opposition opinion on public. Now rallies are attended only by elderly "babushkas", as they are less likely to get arrested. A lot of active people went to Donbass and are fighting there.
Something like that.