Praetorianer
17.09.2005, 12:21
Immer wieder lese ich hier, dass der Saddam auch nicht so nett war, aber die USA sind schließlich eigentlich noch viel schlimmer, weil die foltern ja, wahrscheinlich noch viel schlimmer und überhaupt, ein Schlagwort "Guantanamo" sagt sowieso mehr als 1000 Beweise.
So richtig schön war es aber auch nicht im Irak unter Saddam, zumindest für manche, die Kurden im Norden des Iraks fanden den Saddam zum Teil nicht so nett:
Under Saddam’s rule, Iraq’s Kurdish
communities have experienced terrible suffering.
Documents captured by the Kurds during the
Gulf War and handed over to the nongovernmental
organisation Human Rights Watch
provided much information about Saddam’s
persecution of the Kurds. They detail the arrest
and execution in 1983 of 8,000 Kurdish
males aged 13 and upwards.
Amnesty International in 1985 drew attention
to reports of hundreds more dead and
missing, including the disappearance of 300
Kurdish children arrested in Sulaimaniya, of
whom some were tortured and three died in
custody.
In 1988, Iraqi government forces systematically
razed Kurdish villages and killed civilians.
Amnesty International estimates that over
100,000 Kurds were killed or disappeared during
1987-1988, in an operation known as the Anfal
campaigns, to quell Kurdish insurgency and
activities.
The campaign included the use of chemical
weapons. According to Human Rights Watch, a
single attack on the Kurdish town of Halabja
killed up to 5,000 civilians and injured some
10,000 more.
Persecution of Iraq’s Kurds continues today,
although the protection provided by the northern No
Fly Zone has curbed the worst excesses. Saddam’s
regime is pursuing a policy of Arabisation in the
north of Iraq to dilute Kurdish claims to the oil-rich
area around the city of Kirkuk. Kurds and other non-
Arabs are forcibly relocated from there to other parts
of Iraq.
The UN Special
Rapporteur reports
claims by Kurdish
opposition sources
that 94,000
individuals have been
expelled from their
homes since 1991. Agricultural land owned by
Kurds is said to have been confiscated and
redistributed to Iraqi Arabs. Arabs from southern
Iraq have been offered incentives to move into the
Kirkuk area and, in disputes with their Kurdish
neighbours, are always favoured by the authorities.
In addition, ethnic Kurds and Turcomans have been
prevented from buying property and those who own
property and wish to sell have to find an Arab buyer.
Kurds have also been coerced into changing the
ethnicity on their identity cards to Arab as part of
this process. Turcomans are not even allowed to
register as such. They must call themselves either
Kurdish or Arab.
during Anfal Operations that were carried out in the northern region in 1988.” Dated October 29, 1990.
In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
Mr. President, the Leader, Saddam Hussein (May God preserve him) The Honourable
President of the Republic and President of the Revolutionary Command Council,
I salute you a salute of comrades in struggle, and I present myself to you as one of
the loyals. I appeal to you in the name of the fairness of the Ba’athists to settle my
case, which has occupied night and day, and I lost all hope, until I found nobody
else to resort to other than you, I present you with this problem of mine for
your attention.
My sir,
I the undersigned (Asi Mustafa Ahmed), a returned prisoner on 24/8/1990, a reserve
soldier born in 1955, took part in the glorious battle of Saddam Hussein’s Qadisiyya
in the Shosh sector. I fell prisoner on 27/3/1982, and I stayed imprisoned until the
day the proclamation of the prisoner exchange was issued. So I returned to the
homeland and I kissed the earth of the beloved homeland and I prostrated myself
before a picture of Mr. President, the Leader, Saddam Hussein. In my heart was the
longing to reach my family, they’ll be happy to see me and I’ll be happy to see
them, in a joy that cannot be described. Except that, oh, my disappointment,
although I found the house, I could not find my wife, nor could I find my children.
And oh the catastrophe, and oh when they informed me that the entire family fell
into the hands of the Anfal forces of the Anfal operation that was conducted in the
northern region under the leadership of Comrade Ali Hasan al-Majid, and I do not
know anything about their fate.
They are:
1 – Azima Ali Ahmed born 1955, my wife
2 – Jeroo Asi Mustafa born 1979, my daughter
3 – Fraydoon born 1981, my son
4 – Rokhosh born 1982, my son
I’ve come to you with this petition of mine, pleading to be granted sympathy for and
knowledge of their fate. May God prosper you and protect you, and thanks to you and
respect.
The returned prisoner Asi Mustafa Mohammed
Without residence in Sulaimaniya / Chamchamal district Beeks Place / Haji Ibrahim
Mosque
Naja, da war der Saddam wohl nicht so gut gelaunt, aber bestimmt war der auch mal ganz nett. In dem ersten Link kann man dann darüberhinaus auch noch lesen, dass der Saddam nicht nur einmal, sondern gelegentlich mal schlecht gelaunt war, das ist aber verständlich. Wenn der Kaffee schlecht war und die letzte Nacht auch nicht, dann konnten das schon mal Kurden, Schiiten und Kuwaitis zu spüren bekommen, aber schlechte Laune hat ja jeder mal (viel mehr über diese Themen im ersten Link):
http://www.iraqdigest.com/massgraves-hrw-.jpg
sowas kann schon einmal passieren!
Es gab auch Gelegenheiten, da konnte der Saddam sehr sauer werden, wenn ihn andere Menschen nicht lieb hatten:
Suspension from the ceiling
Victims are blindfolded, stripped and suspended for hours by their wrists, often with their hands
tied behind their backs. This causes dislocation of shoulders and tearing of muscles and ligaments.
Electric shock
A common torture method. Shocks are applied to various parts of the body, including the genitals,
ears, tongue and fingers.
Sexual abuse
Victims, particularly women, have been raped and sexually abused, including reports of broken
bottles being forced into the victim’s anus.
"Falaqa"
Victims are forced to lie face down and are then beaten on the soles of their feet with a cable, often
losing consciousness.
Other physical torture
Extinguishing cigarettes on various parts of the body, extraction of fingernails and toenails and
beatings with canes, whips, hose pipes and metal rods are common.
Mock executions
Victims are told that they are to be executed by firing squad and a mock execution is staged.
Victims are hooded and brought before a firing squad, who then fire blank rounds.
Acid baths
David Scheffer, US Ambassador-at-Large for War Crimes, reported that photographic evidence
showed that Iraq had used acid baths during the invasion of Kuwait. Victims were hung by their
wrists and gradually lowered into the acid.
Nur einige Beispiele
Mehr dazu auch im mittleren und oberen Link!
Zum Glück gibt es hier kritische User, die das ganze richtig einzuordnen wissen:
Die grausamen Repressalien des Saddam-Regimes (und nicht die Opfer, du Möchte-gern-Einstein) waren im Vergleich zu den Folter-Methoden der us-amerikanischen Besatzungsmacht "Seitenstecher".
http://www.politikforen.de/showthread.php?t=12407&page=5&pp=10&highlight=saddam
Aktuelle Frage:
Ich frage mich: Waren die Zustände unter Saddam in den Embaro-Zeiten nicht besser. Es hätte gereicht wenn man den Dreckskerl weiter diszipliniert hätte.
Der Saddam hatte aber auch sehr wohltätgie Seiten, den Hinterbliebenen von palästinensischen Selbstmordattentätern zahlte er ne Prämie:
Irak hat nach Angaben eines palästinensischen Aktivisten die finanzielle und materielle Unterstützung für den Aufstand der Palästinenser gegen Israel massiv verstärkt. Den Familien von Selbstmordattentätern zahlt Bagdad je 25.000 Dollar, behauptete Ibrahim Zanen, ein Sprecher der "Arabischen Befreiungsarmee" in Gaza, am 13. September. "Irak unterstützt den palästinensischen Aufstand mit allen Mitteln", sagte Zanen. Nach Ansicht von Iraks Staatschef Saddam Hussein habe ein Selbstmordattentäter "die höchste Stufe des Märtyrertums" erreicht. Daher seien die Zahlungen an Hinterbliebene der Attentäter um je 15.000 Dollar angehoben worden. Weiter sagte Zanen, Familien in Rafah im Gazastreifen, deren Haus von israelischen Truppen zerstört wurde, erhielten je 5.000 Dollar von Irak. Für jedes zerstörte Haus in Dschenin gebe es 25.000 Dollar.
Wie kamen die USA bloß darauf, dieser Mann habe irgendwas mit dem internationalen Terrorismus zu tun :rolleyes:
http://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hrdossier.pdf
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39045
http://www.uni-kassel.de/fb5/frieden/regionen/Nahost/Chronik-Aktuell/september02.html
So richtig schön war es aber auch nicht im Irak unter Saddam, zumindest für manche, die Kurden im Norden des Iraks fanden den Saddam zum Teil nicht so nett:
Under Saddam’s rule, Iraq’s Kurdish
communities have experienced terrible suffering.
Documents captured by the Kurds during the
Gulf War and handed over to the nongovernmental
organisation Human Rights Watch
provided much information about Saddam’s
persecution of the Kurds. They detail the arrest
and execution in 1983 of 8,000 Kurdish
males aged 13 and upwards.
Amnesty International in 1985 drew attention
to reports of hundreds more dead and
missing, including the disappearance of 300
Kurdish children arrested in Sulaimaniya, of
whom some were tortured and three died in
custody.
In 1988, Iraqi government forces systematically
razed Kurdish villages and killed civilians.
Amnesty International estimates that over
100,000 Kurds were killed or disappeared during
1987-1988, in an operation known as the Anfal
campaigns, to quell Kurdish insurgency and
activities.
The campaign included the use of chemical
weapons. According to Human Rights Watch, a
single attack on the Kurdish town of Halabja
killed up to 5,000 civilians and injured some
10,000 more.
Persecution of Iraq’s Kurds continues today,
although the protection provided by the northern No
Fly Zone has curbed the worst excesses. Saddam’s
regime is pursuing a policy of Arabisation in the
north of Iraq to dilute Kurdish claims to the oil-rich
area around the city of Kirkuk. Kurds and other non-
Arabs are forcibly relocated from there to other parts
of Iraq.
The UN Special
Rapporteur reports
claims by Kurdish
opposition sources
that 94,000
individuals have been
expelled from their
homes since 1991. Agricultural land owned by
Kurds is said to have been confiscated and
redistributed to Iraqi Arabs. Arabs from southern
Iraq have been offered incentives to move into the
Kirkuk area and, in disputes with their Kurdish
neighbours, are always favoured by the authorities.
In addition, ethnic Kurds and Turcomans have been
prevented from buying property and those who own
property and wish to sell have to find an Arab buyer.
Kurds have also been coerced into changing the
ethnicity on their identity cards to Arab as part of
this process. Turcomans are not even allowed to
register as such. They must call themselves either
Kurdish or Arab.
during Anfal Operations that were carried out in the northern region in 1988.” Dated October 29, 1990.
In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
Mr. President, the Leader, Saddam Hussein (May God preserve him) The Honourable
President of the Republic and President of the Revolutionary Command Council,
I salute you a salute of comrades in struggle, and I present myself to you as one of
the loyals. I appeal to you in the name of the fairness of the Ba’athists to settle my
case, which has occupied night and day, and I lost all hope, until I found nobody
else to resort to other than you, I present you with this problem of mine for
your attention.
My sir,
I the undersigned (Asi Mustafa Ahmed), a returned prisoner on 24/8/1990, a reserve
soldier born in 1955, took part in the glorious battle of Saddam Hussein’s Qadisiyya
in the Shosh sector. I fell prisoner on 27/3/1982, and I stayed imprisoned until the
day the proclamation of the prisoner exchange was issued. So I returned to the
homeland and I kissed the earth of the beloved homeland and I prostrated myself
before a picture of Mr. President, the Leader, Saddam Hussein. In my heart was the
longing to reach my family, they’ll be happy to see me and I’ll be happy to see
them, in a joy that cannot be described. Except that, oh, my disappointment,
although I found the house, I could not find my wife, nor could I find my children.
And oh the catastrophe, and oh when they informed me that the entire family fell
into the hands of the Anfal forces of the Anfal operation that was conducted in the
northern region under the leadership of Comrade Ali Hasan al-Majid, and I do not
know anything about their fate.
They are:
1 – Azima Ali Ahmed born 1955, my wife
2 – Jeroo Asi Mustafa born 1979, my daughter
3 – Fraydoon born 1981, my son
4 – Rokhosh born 1982, my son
I’ve come to you with this petition of mine, pleading to be granted sympathy for and
knowledge of their fate. May God prosper you and protect you, and thanks to you and
respect.
The returned prisoner Asi Mustafa Mohammed
Without residence in Sulaimaniya / Chamchamal district Beeks Place / Haji Ibrahim
Mosque
Naja, da war der Saddam wohl nicht so gut gelaunt, aber bestimmt war der auch mal ganz nett. In dem ersten Link kann man dann darüberhinaus auch noch lesen, dass der Saddam nicht nur einmal, sondern gelegentlich mal schlecht gelaunt war, das ist aber verständlich. Wenn der Kaffee schlecht war und die letzte Nacht auch nicht, dann konnten das schon mal Kurden, Schiiten und Kuwaitis zu spüren bekommen, aber schlechte Laune hat ja jeder mal (viel mehr über diese Themen im ersten Link):
http://www.iraqdigest.com/massgraves-hrw-.jpg
sowas kann schon einmal passieren!
Es gab auch Gelegenheiten, da konnte der Saddam sehr sauer werden, wenn ihn andere Menschen nicht lieb hatten:
Suspension from the ceiling
Victims are blindfolded, stripped and suspended for hours by their wrists, often with their hands
tied behind their backs. This causes dislocation of shoulders and tearing of muscles and ligaments.
Electric shock
A common torture method. Shocks are applied to various parts of the body, including the genitals,
ears, tongue and fingers.
Sexual abuse
Victims, particularly women, have been raped and sexually abused, including reports of broken
bottles being forced into the victim’s anus.
"Falaqa"
Victims are forced to lie face down and are then beaten on the soles of their feet with a cable, often
losing consciousness.
Other physical torture
Extinguishing cigarettes on various parts of the body, extraction of fingernails and toenails and
beatings with canes, whips, hose pipes and metal rods are common.
Mock executions
Victims are told that they are to be executed by firing squad and a mock execution is staged.
Victims are hooded and brought before a firing squad, who then fire blank rounds.
Acid baths
David Scheffer, US Ambassador-at-Large for War Crimes, reported that photographic evidence
showed that Iraq had used acid baths during the invasion of Kuwait. Victims were hung by their
wrists and gradually lowered into the acid.
Nur einige Beispiele
Mehr dazu auch im mittleren und oberen Link!
Zum Glück gibt es hier kritische User, die das ganze richtig einzuordnen wissen:
Die grausamen Repressalien des Saddam-Regimes (und nicht die Opfer, du Möchte-gern-Einstein) waren im Vergleich zu den Folter-Methoden der us-amerikanischen Besatzungsmacht "Seitenstecher".
http://www.politikforen.de/showthread.php?t=12407&page=5&pp=10&highlight=saddam
Aktuelle Frage:
Ich frage mich: Waren die Zustände unter Saddam in den Embaro-Zeiten nicht besser. Es hätte gereicht wenn man den Dreckskerl weiter diszipliniert hätte.
Der Saddam hatte aber auch sehr wohltätgie Seiten, den Hinterbliebenen von palästinensischen Selbstmordattentätern zahlte er ne Prämie:
Irak hat nach Angaben eines palästinensischen Aktivisten die finanzielle und materielle Unterstützung für den Aufstand der Palästinenser gegen Israel massiv verstärkt. Den Familien von Selbstmordattentätern zahlt Bagdad je 25.000 Dollar, behauptete Ibrahim Zanen, ein Sprecher der "Arabischen Befreiungsarmee" in Gaza, am 13. September. "Irak unterstützt den palästinensischen Aufstand mit allen Mitteln", sagte Zanen. Nach Ansicht von Iraks Staatschef Saddam Hussein habe ein Selbstmordattentäter "die höchste Stufe des Märtyrertums" erreicht. Daher seien die Zahlungen an Hinterbliebene der Attentäter um je 15.000 Dollar angehoben worden. Weiter sagte Zanen, Familien in Rafah im Gazastreifen, deren Haus von israelischen Truppen zerstört wurde, erhielten je 5.000 Dollar von Irak. Für jedes zerstörte Haus in Dschenin gebe es 25.000 Dollar.
Wie kamen die USA bloß darauf, dieser Mann habe irgendwas mit dem internationalen Terrorismus zu tun :rolleyes:
http://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hrdossier.pdf
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39045
http://www.uni-kassel.de/fb5/frieden/regionen/Nahost/Chronik-Aktuell/september02.html