Steiner
06.03.2012, 09:23
Wikileaks hat heute wieder eine große Menge an E-Mails von Stratfor veröffentlicht. Darunter einige sehr interessante Mails bezüglich der einzelnen Kriegsparteien im Libyenkrieg. So erfährt man z.B. dass der Krieg hauptsächlich von GB geplant wurde um die Ölreserven zu sichern und Frankreich hauptsächlich mitgemacht hat um wieder als Großmacht anerkannt zu werden und die USA konnten es gar nicht abwarten mal wieder ein Land zusammenzuschießen......X(
USAF could not be more thrilled with the resolution. They are practically
jumping out of their seats to do this operation --- it's a dream op, as
they call it - flat terrain, close to the coast, easy targets. no prob.
What's funny is they're only looking at the 'op' as preventing Ghadafi
from retaking Benghazi. These guys aren't the decision-makers, obviously,
but the US guys are simply not looking at the 'what's next' question. They
brush it off as, we'll get the rebel forces into a mean fighting force,
they'll handle the rest. We took a group of rag tag Afghans who were
repressed into nothing and turned them into fighters, why can't we do it
with Libyans. (uhh...) They were amazed at my skepticism.
The Egyptians are on the ground, arming and training the rebels.
From their perspective this whole operation is a UK-French-driven
campaign.
The US was in many ways pushed into it. The resolution was
almost completely drafted by the Brits.
The UK guy says UK is driven by energy interests in this campaign. BP
post-oil spill is suffering in US< other options are to expand in Siberia
(problems with Russia), Vietnam and .. libya. They see a Ghadafi ouster
as the best way to meet their energy interests.
The French are more complicated. They dont' need the energy. The French
had a multi-billion dollar contract signed with Ghadafi for 40 Rafale
jets, that was going to be the saving grace for the French defense
industry. Then the French (so he claims) hear about AQIM threats backed by
Ghadafi on French targets, and they got pissed. Sarkozy painted himself in
a corner. More than that, though, (and this is what the british and the
french guy agreed on,) was that this was France really, really wanting to
show that it can DO this. To prove its relevance.
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/233212_insight-us-uk-french-view-on-libya-operation-.html
Auch bezüglich Deutschlands gibt es einige interessante Einsichten. So wird zum Beispiel Deutschland eher als zu Russlandfreundlich angesehen! und laut Aussagen einiger westlicher Militärs wird die Bundeswehr als irrelevant angesehen.
The Germans are opposed, but they all commented on how Germany abstained.
Germany has the stigma of being too close to Russia these days and they
think Merkel is trying to balance a bit more with the US and plus wanted
to look good in a leadership position in the UNSC (acting responsibly,
etc. instead of flat out voting against.)
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/233212_insight-us-uk-french-view-on-libya-operation-.html
Auch sehr interessant ist die folgende Passage. Laut dieser Aussage ist auch heute noch das Hauptziel der NATO Deutschland klein zu halten und Russland außen vor zu lassen, genau wie es Guido G. Preparata in seinem Buch "Wer Hitler mächtig machte" beschrieben hat.
I countered that you can't consider it a boost for NATO when you're
missing GERMANY (!) They acknowledged that NATO's original purpose is
broken. These regional realignments, with France, UK adn US working
closely together is the new future. They still seem to think that despite
warming German-Russian ties, they don't need to worry yet about Germany.
Their military is still largely seen as irrelevant, and so in that sense,
NATO is still doing the job of keeping Germany down and Russia out.
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1169425_re-alpha-insight-some-thoughts-on-us-uk-france-turkey-.html
Da kann man mal sehen, was wir doch für tolle "Freunde" haben :(
USAF could not be more thrilled with the resolution. They are practically
jumping out of their seats to do this operation --- it's a dream op, as
they call it - flat terrain, close to the coast, easy targets. no prob.
What's funny is they're only looking at the 'op' as preventing Ghadafi
from retaking Benghazi. These guys aren't the decision-makers, obviously,
but the US guys are simply not looking at the 'what's next' question. They
brush it off as, we'll get the rebel forces into a mean fighting force,
they'll handle the rest. We took a group of rag tag Afghans who were
repressed into nothing and turned them into fighters, why can't we do it
with Libyans. (uhh...) They were amazed at my skepticism.
The Egyptians are on the ground, arming and training the rebels.
From their perspective this whole operation is a UK-French-driven
campaign.
The US was in many ways pushed into it. The resolution was
almost completely drafted by the Brits.
The UK guy says UK is driven by energy interests in this campaign. BP
post-oil spill is suffering in US< other options are to expand in Siberia
(problems with Russia), Vietnam and .. libya. They see a Ghadafi ouster
as the best way to meet their energy interests.
The French are more complicated. They dont' need the energy. The French
had a multi-billion dollar contract signed with Ghadafi for 40 Rafale
jets, that was going to be the saving grace for the French defense
industry. Then the French (so he claims) hear about AQIM threats backed by
Ghadafi on French targets, and they got pissed. Sarkozy painted himself in
a corner. More than that, though, (and this is what the british and the
french guy agreed on,) was that this was France really, really wanting to
show that it can DO this. To prove its relevance.
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/233212_insight-us-uk-french-view-on-libya-operation-.html
Auch bezüglich Deutschlands gibt es einige interessante Einsichten. So wird zum Beispiel Deutschland eher als zu Russlandfreundlich angesehen! und laut Aussagen einiger westlicher Militärs wird die Bundeswehr als irrelevant angesehen.
The Germans are opposed, but they all commented on how Germany abstained.
Germany has the stigma of being too close to Russia these days and they
think Merkel is trying to balance a bit more with the US and plus wanted
to look good in a leadership position in the UNSC (acting responsibly,
etc. instead of flat out voting against.)
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/233212_insight-us-uk-french-view-on-libya-operation-.html
Auch sehr interessant ist die folgende Passage. Laut dieser Aussage ist auch heute noch das Hauptziel der NATO Deutschland klein zu halten und Russland außen vor zu lassen, genau wie es Guido G. Preparata in seinem Buch "Wer Hitler mächtig machte" beschrieben hat.
I countered that you can't consider it a boost for NATO when you're
missing GERMANY (!) They acknowledged that NATO's original purpose is
broken. These regional realignments, with France, UK adn US working
closely together is the new future. They still seem to think that despite
warming German-Russian ties, they don't need to worry yet about Germany.
Their military is still largely seen as irrelevant, and so in that sense,
NATO is still doing the job of keeping Germany down and Russia out.
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1169425_re-alpha-insight-some-thoughts-on-us-uk-france-turkey-.html
Da kann man mal sehen, was wir doch für tolle "Freunde" haben :(